Showing posts with label brexit means brexit. Show all posts
Showing posts with label brexit means brexit. Show all posts

Tuesday, 24 September 2019

Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy


Unfortunately when your voted in its your duty to do the best for the whole of the country. MPs have a far better insight and knowledge (Ok well leave Chris Grayling and a few other out) of the impact of whats going on. Also there at the front line of information rather than the bollox Tory media like the Sun spouts out on a regular basis. Which actually brain washes people into believing ridiculous things and certainly not fact. If you remember that the sun has a readership of 6 million that alone is nearly a third of the leave vote.
The majority voted to leave with a deal because that is what the Brexit campaign, campaigned on. Leaving without a deal was shot down as project fear and wouldn't happen. We would be able to strike the quickest and easiest deal with the EU in history. 
Go and check the interviews from 2016 if you don't believe that. So Labour certainly are following the wishes of the majority and fighting to leave with a deal. Its not anyone elses fault that the Tories have fcuked this up. 
Dictators never succeed in the end and Mayhem certainly prooved that the Tories are a Dictatorship by going of and negotiating "Brexit means Brexit". Just that her "Brexit mean Brexit" wasnt what anyone else thought it meant.

"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside"
David Davis
10 October 2016


"The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want"
Michael Gove
9 April 2016


There is no plan for No Deal because we are going to get a great deal.
Boris Johnson
11 July 2017 (House of commons)

"Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards"
John Redwood
July 17 2016


"The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history"
Liam Fox 
20 July 2017

David Davis now says: ‘Nobody has ever pretended this will be easy. I have always said this negotiation will be tough, complex and at times confrontational’


 
LINKShttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2018/mar/28/11-brexit-promises-leavers-quietly-dropped
https://www.indy100.com/article/brexit-easy-nigel-farage-theresa-may-david-davis-boris-johnson-8846041
https://www.economistsforfreetrade.com/Media/the-spectator-ten-myths-from-the-no-deal-project-fear/
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/sites/default/files/pdf_file/GfK-NOP_EU20Referendum20Question20Testing20Research20Report-WEB.pdf
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/24/mail-sun-uk-brexit-newspapers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_The_Sun_Wot_Won_It

 

Tuesday, 2 April 2019

Mayhems last roll of the dice or a stitch up?

29th March 2017 and Theresa May triggered Article 50.


Its taken just over 2 years while she went off and negotiated what she thought Brexit was. Unfortunately it wasn't what all the other MP's, including MP's from her own party, thought Brexit was.

Its always the problem with vague sound bites like Brexit means Brexit ....it was always open to interpretation. It appealed to everyone because everyone thought they knew what it meant but it actually meant nothing to everyone, because its vagueness left it, a catch 22 almost.  But everyone still quotes it as if what their interpretation of it, is the right one.

Fast forward to tonight, the clock is running down the UK has until 12th April 2019 to propose a plan acceptable by all 27 members of the EU or it leaves with No Deal.

Mayhem has 10 Days to pull a rabbit out of a hat.

Tonight May decides to "take action" and offers to sit down with the leader of the opposition.
"I'm offering to sit down with the Leader of the Opposition to try to agree a plan that we would both stick to, to ensure that we leave the European Union and that we do so with a deal.

Before we move on lets be clear why we are at this point.
  1. May went off and negotiated on her own with very little accepted input from others.
  2. Its very clear from the comments of Tory MP's that May has been nothing but intransigent, 2 Brexit Secretary's have resigned because of it. 
  3. This offer of talking should have happened 18 months ago. Consensus should have been sort at the start so that whatever deal was negotiated had backing and could get through parliament.
  4. While writing this I suddenly thought if the Tories wanted a fall guy to blame it doesn't come much better than May.
Soapbox opinion
Personally I think anyone sitting down to talk at this late stage needs to be very wary. There are very few avenues left and the opportunity to share the blame around a bit is high.  Is this the plan behind this last minute reaching out? A bit of slippery shoulder finger pointing?


In a nutshell
  • We have 10 days until the 12th April, unless May can come up with a reason for the EU to extend.
  • It would need to be a show stopping reason like another referendum or a General Election.
  • There is only one deal on the table (May's deal) with the EU and they have said it wont be renegotiated.
  • May's deal has already been voted down 3 times now.
  • MP's have so far voted against every other proposal put before them.
  • MP's have voted to avoid No Deal at all costs. (That's just advisory though and not enshrined in law)
  • The EU has stated it wants to do all it can to avoid No Deal.
  • However the EU has actually planned for No Deal unlike the UK who's plans are severely lacking and nowhere near complete.
  • 12 April 2019 is also the deadline for informing the EU of the intention to hold MEP elections.
  • Unless the UK leaves on or closely to the 12th it will be required to hold MEP elections.
  • 23rd of May is when EU elections take place, 49 days time.

Lets look at possibilities
  1. No Deal, its still the legal default if all else fails.
  2. May's deal "The withdrawal agreement" is still the only deal on the table with the EU.
  3. A long extension, UK would have to be holding a General Election or another Referendum to get such an extension and would have to take part in EU elections.
  4. Revoking article 50, the UK can do this unilaterally. 
  5. May could resign.
  6. Other suggestions are some form of Customs union and or single market attachment. But surely if going for either of these we might as well stay in the EU. 

Soapbox opinion
I don't know where May is going with this at such a late stage, looks like nothing more than another attempt to get her deal over the line and/or dilute some of the blame away from the Tories. To me this smells of a stitch up.  Jeremy Corbyn you would be wise to be very careful, you could be being set up. I wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her and with limited doors to walk through now, I feel the Tories are moving into damage limitation.


LINKS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_invocation_of_Article_50_of_the_Treaty_on_European_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_European_Parliament_election_in_the_United_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_of_State_for_Exiting_the_European_Union


Sunday, 10 March 2019

So what did Brexit mean to you?



Back in 2018 I put a post on my Facebook page with a little prediction.  I meant to turn it into a blog post but forgot, so I'm catching up now.

10 December 2018
Mayhem will return to the EU do a little Tyre kicking, the wording in the backstop will get changed so either side can unilaterally pull out of it, if its used. Then she'll return with the small tweak that was planned all along and making sure its right up to the wire, it'll be my deal or no deal. MP's will panic at the thought of crashing out with no deal and it'll get voted through by 2 votes. :-) :-D

Yesterday in Grimsby, she warned that if her deal does not pass, “the only certainty will be ongoing uncertainty”. If that is so, it will be because of her tactics.
After all if her deal doesn't get through there shouldn't be any uncertainty because the default position should be we leave with no deal.  Unfortunately May alienated everyone from the start, its always been MY DEAL it should have been the countries deal.

Next week is when we will see if there are any changes on offer as the EU suggested.

and I guess we should remember the mantras

“no deal is better than a bad deal”.
and
“Brexit means brexit”. 

If anyone really knew what the latter actually meant then they are doing well. It was to designed to be vague so that everyone thought they knew what it meant but didn't really. 
After all who knew that “Brexit means brexit”, actually meant Mays deal. Those of you who assumed that “Brexit means brexit” meant we leave with no deal and WTO terms were all wrong it didn't mean that at all :-)
Theresa May's 'Brexit means Brexit' catchphrase is meaningless, Tory minister admits”.

So what did Brexit mean to you?


LINKS

Wednesday, 29 March 2017

A Historic Day - "Remains" To Be Seen




I’m a neutral on Brexit… admittedly I voted remain after doing  a lot of research and seeing through the misinformation of the Brexit campaign. But I always wanted to leave,  just didn’t think it was going to improve things. To be honest if the Brexit campaign hadn’t employed misinformation I may have voted to leave.  However the vote is out…. albeit by a tiny majority, so let’s get on with it.   

My problem is still that I don’t trust the Tories to get a good deal for the majority of people. The way they ran the referendum was a shambles and has split the country, not brought it together. 

 I was bemused by what I was hearing on the radio today, so called “Brexiters” claiming that so called “Remainers” would be the cause of Britain not getting a good deal on leaving the EU ……. Really …come on REALLY!  Let not start trying to put the blame off on others before we even start or is the confident bravado waning now?

This has to stop we are going into no man’s land, we may end up better off, we may end up worse off. No one knows because it’s not been done before. It’s a coin flip and anyone who tells you different is just guessing. The more those that voted to leave keep name calling with “Remainer’s” “Remoaner’s” Etc the more the country will be divided.  

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. People who vote Tory don’t suddenly become labour supporters when Labour gets voted in, no they still have their ideal's and opinion’s and carry on arguing their point of view.

The beauty of this country is its still one of the most democratic countries in the world, regardless what we think of our politicians.  The only thing both camps should be doing now is scrutinising what deal this government is going to get for the Majority ….. I aint holding my breath.

One thing im sure of this wont just take 2 years.  We may leave the EU in 2 years but we will be sorting this out for 10 years plus.

Friday, 16 December 2016

Brexit trade deal could take 10 years


In my opinion it will be 20 years before we've finished dealing with Brexit fallout.  The UKs ambassador thinks it could take 10 years to get a trade deal sorted out. Theresa May however hasn't got a clue and successfully answers every question that wasn't asked and avoids the one that was asked.


Brexit trade deal could take 10 years, says UK's ambassador.

"Mayhem" (Theresa May) yet again successfully avoids answering the very clear and succinct question put to her. 








Links
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38324146


Wednesday, 26 October 2016

Yes out means out or ... what does it mean?

I like the irony of this

I'm increasingly getting bored with the 52% that voted for brexit saying just accept it stop whinging etc etc bla bla,  as if they would have remained quiet if theirs was the 48% vote.  Why should people remain quiet? They may have lost the vote by a very slim majority, not even sure it can be called a majority, but they are still allowed to have an opinion, that's why we like this democratic country.

I actually voted remain but I'm happy were out, because that's what I wanted to vote for ... so why didn't I?

I may not be academically qualified but I have a good dose of common sense and I actually did a lot of research into what Brexit was all about. I swung back and forwards many times in the lead up to the referendum. I would suggest that I did much more research than was done by some, who just cast their vote on the false promises of closed borders and 350 million a week paid back to the NHS. If you really believed the lies of Boris and (there will be bumps in the road) Gove etc then im sorry but you were mislead, as has been proven after the vote.

Actually no.... lets not be politically correct here. If you based such a momentous decision on the basis of media and politician lies without researching it just a bit, because that's all it took, then you are a class 1 fucking twat, nothing more nothing less.

Now I voted in but only by the slimmest margins and if you look back through my blogs you can see my thought processes.  I went though that because I realised it was important, important for me, my family and the Country.

So what swayed me, because believe me I wanted out of a corrupt EU.
  1. Top of my list, after doing much research I realised it would take at least 20 years to sort out the mess of Brexit. I don't really want 20 years of pain, simple as.
  2. Control of borders, we actually have more control of our borders within the EU, certainly more control than any other EU country. But we wont have that any more, once we leave. 
  3. 350 million we get back will go to the NHS .... this is such utter bollox that im not even going to bother with it and if you thought it was true then please leave my blog it will only confuse you.
  4. We need to deal with the EU and they need to deal with us, yes ..... but we had a large say in what went on, even though it was corrupt, we knew that, and we had a veto. Once we leave we throw all that away. We have nothing, no say, no veto. Yes we are masters of our own destiny, but the world is a rather large place and although we try and punch above our weight, others are catching up. Much bigger countries are catching up and the golden egg is trading with 27 countries not one.
  5. The politicians lied through their teeth and we as a country was going to expect them to negotiate Brexit and report back faithfully to the British public what deal they had got ....... Yeah right!  Again you might fool the Sun readers you aint fooling me.
The Tories never had a Brexit plan and to this date still dont. They are still putting their Brexit committee together, FACT.

The most we get out of May is Brexit means Brexit. Very good to keep quoting that when you havnt got a scooby. Its nice and simple and doesn't confuse people, yup Brexit means Brexit the Brexiters can be heard parroting, stop winging about it. Well sorry and FRO because I want it spelt out what Brexit means because it can mean many things and the Tories are happier if we are kept in the dark.

Cameron ran for the hills after categorically stating in the Commons that he would stay on regardless of the vote. He ran as soon as he knew he would have to negotiate Brexit. He ran because he knew what was coming in the negotiations, not a lot! .... he already had all he could get when he held all the cards. Now the cards are down its going to get very tough.

May is playing the political game of trying to pretend to be very clever and not disclose her hand. A hand they supposedly hold but dont even know what cards it consists of. Luckily Corbyn has seen through this and called her out on it today. I did love the Baldrick comment. "Cunning plan of not having a plan"  but unfortunately true.

A lot of people are jumping to their defence on this and agreeing that they cant give a running commentary ..... er... excuse me running commentary? We have nothing, zero, ziltch, fcuk all... to be crude.

They are basically screwed either way. Remember the vote was close 52% - 48%  its almost certain at least half of the 52% wont be pleased with the result of the negotiations, that means  that around 74% are gonna be pissed off with what they manage to negotiate. Im happy to be out but if any of you think we hold the cards in this negotiation your living in dream land.

There are so many facets to Brexit and they think its OK for it to be totally secret.  That's a very good ploy when you know damm well your going to be shafted. If no one knows what you were trying to get, you can claim to have achieved it and the good old sheep in the British public will be applauding loudly.  If no one knows what the Tories think Brexit means, then again, they can say Oh no it never meant that, where did you get that from.

Hmmm sorry you aint fooling me. We don't need to know all the details but we do need the basic principles of what we think Brexit means debated in parliament, that's what its there for, we live in a democracy, not a dictatorship or it was last time I looked.

And I want it written down in Blood!


Friday, 15 July 2016

Is Boris an accident waiting to happen?


Over the years I've worked with many intelligent, some incredibly highly intelligent people. However I discovered a long time ago that there is no correlation between intelligence and common sense nor intelligence and diplomacy.


Boris Johnson's stumbling if not embarrassing performance at the french embassy would be funny if it wasn't so worrying. 

I can understand why Theresa May would give him the job of forign secretary, you started it you sort it out, but negotiating the exit of the UK for the EU is a massive job, possibly even bigger than that of PM. 

Is an intelligent buffoon the right man for the job? Personally I think he will not be able to get the best deal for the UK. 

He will lie through his back teeth, just as he did in the referendum and the public wont know what we are getting or not getting. But he will claim, whatever, that he's done an amazing job and got an amazing deal for the UK.

Unfortunately I fear the UK will suffer for years over this, while the EU sniggers behind closed doors.

Theresa May meanwhile will be able to distance herself from it claiming she put a Brexit in charge, what more could she do?