Donald Tusk: Special place in hell for Brexiteers without a plan

LINKS
BBC: Donald Tusk: Special place in hell for Brexiteers without a plan

It wont take long to sort out trade deals

Cameron and May the Chaos twins.

Whichever way you look at it this current government has been pretty abysmal. Cameron and May the Chaos twins.

LINKS
Britain 'could impose MARTIAL LAW to avoid chaos on the streets after no-deal Brexit' - as MPs face having their holidays CANCELLED to prepare for UK's departure

Lets face facts the Tories have reduced the deficit .....but ...hangon....

Lets face facts the Tories have reduced the deficit .....but ...hangon....

"In 2005 the UK “current budget deficit” was less that £20 billion. But then came the worldwide financial crisis of 2008 and subsequent recession. The budget deficit skyrocketed to £50 billion in 2009 and £103 billion in 2010. In the subsequent recovery the deficit has steadily declined, down to £1.9 billion in 2018."  {LINK}

So the deficit has reduced by 101.1 billion

                            But wait ....the UK debt is now over 70% more

"In 2005 the UK National Debt was less that £0.5 trillion. But then came the worldwide financial crisis of 2008 and subsequent recession. The National Debt increased rapidly and went over £1 trillion in 2011. At the end of the 2015-16 fiscal year, the National Debt went over £1.5 trillion." {LINK}

Its worth noting that its a total myth that Labour caused the financial crisis of 2008, a myth perpetuated by the Tories to good effect and people still believe it now.  Its well known that the greedy banks caused the crises but the Tories continue to promote the lie.

So UK debt when Tories took over was 1.01 Trillion

UK Debt in 2018 was 1.78 Trillion. That's 780 billion more.

May claimed that a vote for Labour would be a vote for "a coalition of Chaos" the facts are that the Tories turned out to be in chaos.

I'll just mention this.

"Corbyn's spending plans will bankrupt the country" the media screamed "its all uncosted" they claimed.

Fact Corbyn proposed to spend £250 billion on infrastructure, which in turn would create jobs, generally make things better and stimulate the economy.

What happened ....... Total melt down.

 The Tories however have increased the UK debt by £770 billion, with nothing to show for it.

Brexit: James Dyson Singapore Sling

"Dyson is going to be based in a country that has a free-trade agreement with the EU,  Yet James Dyson told you we should leave in order to boost British business."

LINKS Guardian: Dyson to move company HQ to Singapore
https://www.politico.eu/article/brexiteer-james-dyson-to-move-hq-to-singapore
Express: James Dyson declares Brexit will be a disaster for EUROPE as he predicts UK will WALK AWAY
https://www.indy100.com/article/james-dyson-brexit-singapore-electric-cars-eu-8598891
EU-Singapore: Council adopts decisions to sign trade and investment agreements
Wikipedia: European Union–Singapore Free Trade Agreement
Bloomberg: Brexit Sucks the Air Out of Dyson's Asia Move

Why hasn't Corbyn condemned the IRA?

Corbyn generally sticks to the mantra that he condems all violence.

However in in 1994 Jeremy Corbyn signed a motion that condemned IRA violence.

Jeremy Corbyn signed a motion in the House of Commons that condemned IRA violence and "extended its sympathy to the relatives of those murdered".

The Leader of the Labour Party supported an early day motion put forward by Labour MP David Winnick to commemorate the victims of the IRA bombing in Birmingham in 1974.  

The motion was tabled on the 20 year anniversary of the attack that killed 21 people and injured 182 others and was signed by Mr Corbyn in November 1994.

So in answer to the question

Why hasn't Corbyn condemned the IRA?

He has.



LINKS
Independent: Jeremy Corbyn signed a motion that condemned IRA violence in 1994

Facebook goes into melt down with anti Corbyn memes.

A narrow miss of getting a no confidence vote in the worst Tory government for years and Facebook goes into melt down with anti Corbyn memes.

Luckily as could be seen in the last General Election the public are seeing through the mis-information, lies, insults etc.

May will probably win today's no confidence vote in the Conservative party. But at what cost?

I expect Mayhem will win todays no confidence vote in the Conservative party. But at what cost, what will the DUP want this time for their backing? Plus the Tories are unlikely to vote for a no confidence vote in themselves.

So where does that leave us.

May seems to have been pushing forward on a deal of her own making in some grand attempt at being the Savior of the UK and putting herself on a standing with Thatcher in the history books (Not that I hold Thatcher in that great esteem) a vanity project from the start.  It is one thing Tories are good at ...vanity.

So is she playing a very clever remain game or a very bad leave game.

Going against the mandate of the country would be a very dangerous thing to do for any PM but she was a remainer at the start.

2 years of convoluted negotiations, well wasn't 2 years because it took about a year and a half to decide what they wanted and the EU still doesn't seem to know. 3 brexit Secretary's later and we are still no nearer to starting to negotiate trade deals.

The mantra still at present is
My deal
No deal
Or no brexit

However at the start it was Brexit means Brexit.....whatever that means. Seems to mean whatever brexit I dream up.

As the house is definitely opposed to no deal that leaves only 2 so she could be playing a clever remain game. Hmmm!

Seems to me the EU keep saying tell us what you really want. By that I think they mean we don't want to know what Mayhem wants we want to know what parliament wants. All the indications are that they realise that mayhem is forging forward with what she wants so they are not prepared to negotiate any further.

A proper proposal backed by parliament I believe the EU would discuss. Personally I think Mayhem is lying when she says there is no further negotiation. Yes there is no further negotiation on her deal but a deal backed by parliament would be looked at.

As such I conclude that she's just playing a vanity game and play hero. Trying to get herself in the history books as another Thatcher, although the Tory knives soon came out for her. Corbyn's only route after such an epic fail had to be to call for a vote of no confidence. Everyone would have been putting the boot in if he diddnt, even though chances of winning were slim.

Personally I think there should be a GE as it would hand back power to the people. All parties can campaign on the detail of what they think Brexit should be or even no brexit and the people can vote on the detail.

Another referendum well what goes on the ballot paper? May's deal, no deal, remain? We already voted to leave... How many referendums should we have? Should there need to be a clear 60% majority next time? I think there should.

Nope a General Election is the best route in my humble opinion.

Update

Have to say I don't agree with Labour's stance that a no deal Brexit should be taken of the table before cross party talks. This is not the time to be taking away the only thing that might worry the EU in negotiations. Also May would agree to this if her plan was always to engineer some form of Remain, we wait and see.  I can see why its being asked for but its also going to have little impact on business now at this late stage, so keep it in the cards we are holding while we work out how to play them.

Tories ready to self destruct?

I said 2 years ago that whoever negotiates brexit would die on their own sword. The vote was too close whatever deal you negotiate it'll be wrong for nearly 50%.

I believe the only way forward now is a General election. Each party can set out what their idea of brexit is and the country can vote on it.

If Mayhem makes it through the next 3 weeks I'll be amazed.  Maybe we could even see a split in the Tories. Maybe other parties as well.

Interesting times in UK politics I wouldn't want to be a politician.

Sinn Fein could really make things interesting if they turned up to vote. What a publicity stunt that would be.

Without Bercow there would be no Brexit

Today John Bercow made a decision that has sent certain groups of people into meltdown.

The Commons erupted over Speaker John Bercow's decision to allow an attempt to change the rules for the resumed "meaningful vote" debate. This is no mere technicality. The amendment proposed by former Attorney General Dominic Grieve would require the government to come back within three days, rather than 21, to debate the implications of not having a Brexit deal - if the prime minister's deal is indeed voted down next Tuesday. 

Under the previous rules, that debate would be kicked back to late February, with the Brexit clock ticking remorselessly in the background. The new Grieve amendment, now passed by MPs, means that in the event the PM loses next week, the Commons will then have a chance to vote on alternative policies - everything from a "managed no-deal" to a further referendum, via a "Norway option" or a reheated version of the current deal, could be on the table. 

If a majority could be found for anything, it would not have the force of law - but it would at least indicate a policy which had the support of MPs.

However back in the mists of time now ....back back to 2013 John Bercow made a decision that was described as "the single most important decision of his speakership" and paved the way for Brexit.

"And here is where Mr Speaker Bercow enters our story, with a ruling on an apparently in-house issue that probably ranks as the single most important decision of his speakership. He allowed an extra amendment to the Queen's Speech, stretching the terms of Commons Standing Order 33 probably beyond breaking point in the process."

Those who are in meltdown over this would do well do remember that without Bercow making the decision in 2013 there wouldn't be any Brexit.

As David Allen Green said in the Financial Times

"The recent decision by John Bercow, the Speaker of the House of Commons, to allow a vote on an amendment on a government business motion has prompted Tory unhappiness and screaming front page headlines in the right wing press. Even on its own merits, the subject is arcane. One suspects that few of those supposedly upset by this development knew or cared whether such votes were possible before a few days ago."

"In fact, there is little to be genuinely concerned about in what happened. All the Speaker did was to allow MPs to vote on how the business of the House should be conducted. The government’s real problem is not that the vote took place, but that it no longer has a working majority on Brexit issues. And the outcome of the vote was sensible: it obliges the government to act swiftly if, as is expected, it loses the “meaningful” vote next week on accepting the Brexit withdrawal agreement. Only a knavish or foolish partisan could be vexed by this."

Soapbox Comment

1. The Brexit referendum wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Bercow.
2. He's normally pretty good at allowing all parties to put things forward for debate.
3. Personally I don't think he's very good at keeping the baying Tory animal pack in check.
4. I think it's a good move to get May back in 3 days if she loses the vote. That's what they are there for to debate things and make decisions. 
5. The vote was leave to take back democracy, well one of the reasons. This is our democracy at work.....debating and voting on things, not putting things off so they cant be discussed.
6. All they have to do now is make MPs legally liable for lying and libeling and take away Parliamentary privilege with regard to that and we'll be getting somewhere.

LINKS
BBC: Brexit: How rebel MPs outfoxed Cameron to get an EU referendum
Guardian: John Bercow backs referendum on Britain's EU membership
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2015-06-09c.1047.0
Guardian: Brexit: MPs vote 308-297 in favour of amendment for three-day 'plan B' deadline - Politics live
FT: Outrage at John Bercow is the sound of a constitution working

So who's gonna pay for the wall?

A little light relieve from Brexit and Borders ..... lets go to another Border.

So if Mexico is paying for the wall why are there loads of US workers not getting a Salary at present because Trump hasn't got the money for the wall?

Looks to me like he had 2 years when he had control and still couldn't get the money.

So who's really going to end up paying for the wall? 

Hmmmm...I'm not a hard core betting man but...curve ball coming.

Anna Soubry didn't claim £14 for delivering Remembrance Day Poppies

So the question is did Anna Soubry claim £14 for delivering Remembrance Day Poppies?

The meme doesn't say when, but according to the Daily Mirror ......

The office of Soubry – who was Veterans Minister at the time – billed taxpayers for travel expenses for the 32.3-mile trip last November

ByVincent Moss & Matthew Drake

• 21:23, 13 JUN 2015
• UPDATED21:25, 13 JUN 2015

So if it was last November it must be November 2014

The office of the former TV presenter, 58 – who was Veterans Minister at the time – billed taxpayers £14.54 for travel expenses for the 32.3-mile trip last November.

Soubry said her office administrator made the claim for delivering the poppies to be used in services around her constituency of Broxtowe, Notts, while the MP attended a ceremony in Beeston.

Soubry was on a salary of £98,740 when the trip was made. It was described in the claim as an “around constituency trip delivering wreaths to constituents to lay on Member’s behalf”. 

Soapbox Comment

• Looking through MP's expenses for the year 14/15 there is only one amount for £14.54
• Claim no. 389154
• The date is 28/10/2014 ....which isn't November.
• Category is: Staff Travel  Expense type is: Own Vehicle Car MP Staff  Journey Type is: Within Constituency Travel
• There are no other details
• Basic salary received during 2014 to 2015 was £67,059.96

As much as I like Tory bashing the Meme is incorrect Anna Soubry didn't claim travel expenses to deliver Poppies.  A staff member did make an expense claim for £14.58 for Within Constituency Travel, 14 days before Remembrance day.

Her salary during 2014/15 was £67,059.96, so where the mirror gets £98,740 from I'm not sure.

LINKS
Mirror: Tory minister Anna Soubry claimed £14 cost of delivering Remembrance Day poppies
http://www.theipsa.org.uk/mp-costs/your-mp/anna-soubry
https://broxvox.wordpress.com/2015/06/14/anna-soubry-lambasted-in-ill-informed-and-suggestive-mirror-article
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24772/anna_soubry/broxtowe

Latest thoughts on Brexit

There shouldn't be another vote on brexit. The vote should never have been run on 1st past the post vote but should have required a 60% majority, that way country would not be split. However Cameron and the Tories ran it that way so that's it. The only way to revote now is a General Election. 

Mayhems deal is looking like it will get voted down. Unless she changes it slightly with a amendment that she'll take it back to the EU for hard assurances on the backstop. That might pacify a few, maybe enough to get it through? 

If it is voted down Labour will probably trigger a vote of no confidence in the Government. That vote will rely on whether the DUP continue to support the Tories. 

Just a thought but what would really throw a spanner in the works would be if Sinn Fein took their seats in parliament for the vote. 

A lot of MPs would go for a GE because the country gets to vote again and it bypasses another vote being called undemocratic.

Does the Good Friday agreement mention the border between N.Ireland and Ireland?

The Good Friday Agreement

Does the Good Friday agreement mention the border between N. Ireland and Ireland?

In fact The Good Friday Agreement is ambiguous in the extreme which was fine when we were part of the EU. Now we are leaving it causes problems.

The word Border on its own is used once under the heading

RIGHTS, SAFEGUARDS AND EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY

Economic, Social and Cultural Issues 

2. Subject to the public consultation currently under way, the British Government will make rapid progress with: 

(i) a new regional development strategy for Northern Ireland, for consideration in due course by a the Assembly, tackling the problems of a divided society and social cohesion in urban, rural and border areas, protecting and enhancing the environment, producing new approaches to transport issues, strengthening the physical infrastructure of the region, developing the advantages and resources of rural areas and rejuvenating major urban centres; 

Apart from that the word border is used a further 9 times as cross-border I wont post them all but they can be found in these sections.

STRAND TWO - NORTH/SOUTH MINISTERIAL COUNCIL - there are Severn mentions of cross-border. 

BRITISH-IRISH INTERGOVERNMENTAL CONFERENCE -  there are Two mentions of cross-border. {LINK}

The only thing that is mentioned which would relate to the border but doesn't specifically say it in the agreement. Is the mention of removal of security installations.

LINKS

Gov.uk: The Belfast Agreement, also known as the Good Friday Agreement, was reached in multi-party negotiations and signed on 10 April 1998.
https://www.thebritishacademy.ac.uk/sites/default/files/TheGoodFridayAgreementBrexitandRights_0.pdf

Corbyn - Stupid Woman? Stupid People?

Absolutely disgraceful behavior and nothing more than filibustering. Should sack the lot of them. Politicians are there to do a rather important job... so do that job rather than points scoring, acting like a bunch of animals and displaying fake outrage over such trivia.

Amazing that there was no time to debate a motion of no confidence in a pm that's doing nothing more than running the clock down, but they were able to spend nearly 3 hours debating whether Corbyn maybe said something insulting or not.

Bearing in mind the amount or insults and allegations actually said by Tory PMs out loud, to Corbyn, which would possibly attract liable allegations if said outside parliament, this really shows the level of this utter shower of incompetents.

The reason for this and they damm well know it, they are doing everything to avoid having the vote on Mayhems deal, so they can drive the bus closer to the cliff edge, with Mayhem hanging out the window shouting "its my deal or no deal"

Having the vote would mean losing the support of the DUP, lose that and a vote of no confidence in the Tories would probably succeed.

But also having that vote would allow other options to be debated, including no deal. Which is what they should be doing.

A better deal was never on the cards for leaving EU

Its very simple, right from the start we were never going to be able to negotiate a better deal for leaving the EU than staying in it. As has been said its like stopping your membership of the gym and still wanting to go in and use the weights.

The question no-one knows the answer too is, will we be better off, eventually, once we have left and arranged our own deals with others.  Your guess is as good as mine and lots of people have opinions on this. But they are just opinions.

Which begs the question, in this dark tunnel into which we ride, is the light at the end near or far away or is it another train coming the other way?

From: Richard Knocker (Ex-pilot in the Gulf)

Ok this one is great, I thought we were getting project hope from leavers but nope this is the best project fear I've yet seen and best of all its pretty much all bollox.

If good old Richard was a pilot in the gulf wars then it didn't help his powers of researching facts.

So here we go....Fake news coming up

.............................................................

From: Richard Knocker (Ex-pilot in the Gulf wars)

OK so we’ve had the worst-case scenario for leaving the EU given to us by numerous outlets ranging from the Bank of England to the spoiled prepubescent acting momentum supporter and everyone in-between.
So, I am now going to tell you the worst-case scenario of remaining in the EU based on actual known factors and figures, sourced from the public records of the UK Government, the EU Parliament, The Bank of England, the CBI, Migration watch, The Stock exchanges around the world, the IMF, and the UN.
So those of you who think that this little rant is a tin foil hat moment by myself think again and go and fully research and cross reference what I am about to tell you and remember this is worst-case scenario that could happen unless I clearly point out where it will happen by either a date or other factor.

KNOWN OUTCOMES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN AGREED AS TRUE BY ALL SIDES:

1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.
3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen the move is fully cancelled but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.
5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealth
18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.; Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar ect
19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
20: The UK loses control of its international policy
21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020

PROBABLE WORST-CASE OUTCOMES

1: The UK will become nothing more than a vassal protectorate state
2: With the continuation of freedom of movement, the population of the UK will continue to grow at a rate higher than pre-referendum level ranging between 400,000 to 675,000 per annum.
2.1; Which will result in not just wage suppression but even wage depression.
2.2; More than 500,000 new homes to be built annually (We are currently only managing 125,000)
2.3; House prices and rents will skyrocket annually by 23%
2.4; Class sizes in schools would have to increase by 50% if not even double
2.5; The NHS will become solely an emergency service of care provider as they would no longer be able to cope with the numbers of people needing care other than those of emergency.
2.6; GP’s will become triage centres
2.7; Public transport will become permit holders use only
2.8; Only those that did a serious crime namely murder will be given a custodial sentence
2.9; The Court system becomes fully overrun to the point extreme cases only being heard and the rest being given an automatic fine
2.10; Emergency services collapsing for not being able to cope with the scale of things
2.11; Social care becoming solely private social care for those who can afford it.
2.12; Homelessness to increase by over 28% annually
2.13; Unemployment to increase annually by 37%
2.14; The Benefit system to collapse fully to the point of the return of soup kitchens and even workhouse existence
2.15; Crime to increase by over 59% annually
2.16; Shanty towns to become the norm standard of housing
3: Because the UK would no longer be able to make its own trade deals, nor control its tariffs or quotas, Food prices would increase by over 25% and the cost of living would go up by over 39%
4: Because the UK would lose its oil and gas rights it would also lose the revenue from taxation on them, resulting in a loss of over 600 billion per year in taxation revenue
5: Because the UK will become a member state its percentage share of the vote on any new laws, regulations, treaties and everything else is at current member numbers 3.57% of the vote. That’s right folks the UK say in the EU if it was to remain a member is 3.57% total

Everything I have put thus far is just the very extreme tip of the iceberg that is ready to sink the UK if we remain a member of the EU.

Everything is verifiable by the sources I have already outlined above and is something the EU propaganda machine as well as our very own government are not telling you.

Remainers keep on bleating about that the people didn’t know all of the facts If that’s the case then why are they failing to tell the people the downside or remaining a member of the EU.

ASK YOURSELVES THAT FACT AND FIND OUT THE TRUE HARD FACTS FOR YOURSELF

Richard Knocker

......................................END

Let's just say for a start if any of the above were true then Mogg, Johnson, etc etc would be shouting it from the rooftops.

The UK has opted out of various bits of the Lisbon treaty including jurisdiction of the court of justice. 

See below

"In order to avoid submitting to the jurisdiction of the Court of Justice and to enforcement actions by the Commission, the UK negotiated an opt-out which allows them the option of a block withdrawal from all third pillar measures they had previously chosen to participate in.

In October 2012 the UK government announced that it intended to exercise this opt-out and then selectively opt back into certain measures"

I'll cherry pick another.... "unemployment to increase annually by 37%" on that basis well over half the country would be unemployed in 8 years.....really?

There really is no attempt at reality in this at all.

I'll update a bit more later when on a pc if I can be bothered to give it time.

Tompride has already pulled this apart so ive stolen his graphics, sorry Tom credit given

Ok ill pick out another one The London stock exchange. The London stock exchange is a PLC its not controlled by the EU and could choose to go where it wants as could any company.

How about the Euro .... This is from the Lisbon treaty ...

The Union has exclusive competence to make directives and conclude international agreements when provided for in a Union legislative act as to …

monetary policy for the Member States whose currency is the euro

Lets restate that, to avoid confusion... the EU will have control of monetary policy for the member states who's currency is the Euro.  In case anyone is still not sure... our currency is the pound.

and here's the link to Richard Knocker the pilot who's name has been used.

The problem with people posting crap like this is it stifles debate in the real issues.

I WOULD AGREE WITH ONE THING ....FIND OUT THE TRUE HARD FACTS FOR YOURSELF.

The truth is most wont bother.  Sad really.

I would say to leavers... if something is that bad you don't have to lie about it, lying about it makes people question your argument.

LINK'S 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lisbon

Tompride: Leavers ALREADY campaigning to win second referendum on social media – with even WORSE LIES than before

Lisbon Treaty

Tory media Myths about Corbyn

OMG I’ve never seen so much rubbish written trying to demean someone you say has no chance of being elected. OK Lets break it down shall we … to the facts 

1.     Corbyn is unelectable ~ if he is then what are you worried about? The press will leave him alone, Cameron won’t bother telling any more lies about him, because there’s no point he’s not a threat. Good so that’s that one done.  More here: http://garysoapbox.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/thatcher-was-deemed-unelectable.html

2.     Corbyn talked to the IRA ~ He did, it’s no secret it was all out in the open, not hidden. Whereas Thatcher was talking to them long before, behind closed doors, whilst claiming “We don’t talk to terrorists”.  More here:  http://garysoapbox.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/corbyns-talks-with-ira.html

3.     Corbyn has never condemned the IRA bombings ~ He did, he’s always been against violence and war and he’s always claimed and been proven correct so far. That the only way to resolve things is to get people talking. He said this about IRA bombings “I condemn all bombing, it is not a good idea, and it is terrible what happened.”

4.     Corbyn said Bin Ladins death was a tragedy ~ NO HE DIDN’T what he actually said was ‘There was no attempt whatsoever that I can see to arrest him, to put him on trial, to go through that process. ‘This was an assassination attempt, and is yet another tragedy, upon a tragedy, upon a tragedy. The World Trade Centre was a tragedy, the attack on Afghanistan was a tragedy, the war in Iraq was a tragedy. Tens of thousands of people have died. Torture has come back on to the world stage, been canonised virtually into law by Guantanamo and Bagram.’ ‘Can’t we learn some lessons over this?’  more here http://garysoapbox.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/what-jeremy-corbyn-actually-said-about.html

5.     Corbyn didn’t bow enough ~ This one was so ridiculous that I almost didn’t cover it. Suffice it to say that whilst the other BOWING politicians were all gorging themselves at a banquet. Corbyn stayed outside and applauded the veterans, he then went onto the rememberance service in his own constituency. I expect the others were still eating pudding when he got there.  http://garysoapbox.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/corbyn-knows-right-respect.html  http://garysoapbox.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/the-man-didnt-bow.html http://garysoapbox.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/did-jeremy-corbyn-bow-at-cenotaph.html

6.     Corbyn was a supporter of Tony Benn ~ Er …. Yes he was and your point is?  http://garysoapbox.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/corbyn-was-supporter-of-tony-benn.html

7.     Corbyn poses a national security threat ~ Cameron has left the UK without a carrier force for over a decade or will have by 2020 and the F35 wont be ready by 2020 (That’s the aircraft that goes on the carriers) and Corbyn is a security threat. You really couldn’t make it up.  http://garysoapbox.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/jeremy-corbyn-poses-national-security.html

8.     Corbyn hasn’t got a credible economics policy ~ Hes got one that’s backed by pretty much every major economist around. The Tories have a better one? …. Which is why they have increased the national debt by nearly 70% since taking over and Lost the country its triple AAA rating. Hmmmm.  http://garysoapbox.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/the-tories-failed-promises-debt.html

I think Id better stop.