So who's gonna pay for the wall?

A little light relieve from Brexit and Borders ..... lets go to another Border.

So if Mexico is paying for the wall why are there loads of US workers not getting a Salary at present because Trump hasn't got the money for the wall?

Looks to me like he had 2 years when he had control and still couldn't get the money.

So who's really going to end up paying for the wall? 

Hmmmm...I'm not a hard core betting man but...curve ball coming.

Anna Soubry didn't claim £14 for delivering Remembrance Day Poppies

So the question is did Anna Soubry claim £14 for delivering Remembrance Day Poppies?

The meme doesn't say when, but according to the Daily Mirror ......

The office of Soubry – who was Veterans Minister at the time – billed taxpayers for travel expenses for the 32.3-mile trip last November

ByVincent Moss & Matthew Drake

• 21:23, 13 JUN 2015
• UPDATED21:25, 13 JUN 2015

So if it was last November it must be November 2014

The office of the former TV presenter, 58 – who was Veterans Minister at the time – billed taxpayers £14.54 for travel expenses for the 32.3-mile trip last November.

Soubry said her office administrator made the claim for delivering the poppies to be used in services around her constituency of Broxtowe, Notts, while the MP attended a ceremony in Beeston.

Soubry was on a salary of £98,740 when the trip was made. It was described in the claim as an “around constituency trip delivering wreaths to constituents to lay on Member’s behalf”. 

Soapbox Comment

• Looking through MP's expenses for the year 14/15 there is only one amount for £14.54
• Claim no. 389154
• The date is 28/10/2014 ....which isn't November.
• Category is: Staff Travel  Expense type is: Own Vehicle Car MP Staff  Journey Type is: Within Constituency Travel
• There are no other details
• Basic salary received during 2014 to 2015 was £67,059.96

As much as I like Tory bashing the Meme is incorrect Anna Soubry didn't claim travel expenses to deliver Poppies.  A staff member did make an expense claim for £14.58 for Within Constituency Travel, 14 days before Remembrance day.

Her salary during 2014/15 was £67,059.96, so where the mirror gets £98,740 from I'm not sure.

LINKS
Mirror: Tory minister Anna Soubry claimed £14 cost of delivering Remembrance Day poppies
http://www.theipsa.org.uk/mp-costs/your-mp/anna-soubry
https://broxvox.wordpress.com/2015/06/14/anna-soubry-lambasted-in-ill-informed-and-suggestive-mirror-article
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24772/anna_soubry/broxtowe

Latest thoughts on Brexit

There shouldn't be another vote on brexit. The vote should never have been run on 1st past the post vote but should have required a 60% majority, that way country would not be split. However Cameron and the Tories ran it that way so that's it. The only way to revote now is a General Election. 

Mayhems deal is looking like it will get voted down. Unless she changes it slightly with a amendment that she'll take it back to the EU for hard assurances on the backstop. That might pacify a few, maybe enough to get it through? 

If it is voted down Labour will probably trigger a vote of no confidence in the Government. That vote will rely on whether the DUP continue to support the Tories. 

Just a thought but what would really throw a spanner in the works would be if Sinn Fein took their seats in parliament for the vote. 

A lot of MPs would go for a GE because the country gets to vote again and it bypasses another vote being called undemocratic.

Does the Good Friday agreement mention the border between N.Ireland and Ireland?

The Good Friday Agreement

Does the Good Friday agreement mention the border between N. Ireland and Ireland?

In fact The Good Friday Agreement is ambiguous in the extreme which was fine when we were part of the EU. Now we are leaving it causes problems.

The word Border on its own is used once under the heading

RIGHTS, SAFEGUARDS AND EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY

Economic, Social and Cultural Issues 

2. Subject to the public consultation currently under way, the British Government will make rapid progress with: 

(i) a new regional development strategy for Northern Ireland, for consideration in due course by a the Assembly, tackling the problems of a divided society and social cohesion in urban, rural and border areas, protecting and enhancing the environment, producing new approaches to transport issues, strengthening the physical infrastructure of the region, developing the advantages and resources of rural areas and rejuvenating major urban centres; 

Apart from that the word border is used a further 9 times as cross-border I wont post them all but they can be found in these sections.

STRAND TWO - NORTH/SOUTH MINISTERIAL COUNCIL - there are Severn mentions of cross-border. 

BRITISH-IRISH INTERGOVERNMENTAL CONFERENCE -  there are Two mentions of cross-border. {LINK}

The only thing that is mentioned which would relate to the border but doesn't specifically say it in the agreement. Is the mention of removal of security installations.

LINKS

Gov.uk: The Belfast Agreement, also known as the Good Friday Agreement, was reached in multi-party negotiations and signed on 10 April 1998.
https://www.thebritishacademy.ac.uk/sites/default/files/TheGoodFridayAgreementBrexitandRights_0.pdf

Corbyn - Stupid Woman? Stupid People?

Absolutely disgraceful behavior and nothing more than filibustering. Should sack the lot of them. Politicians are there to do a rather important job... so do that job rather than points scoring, acting like a bunch of animals and displaying fake outrage over such trivia.

Amazing that there was no time to debate a motion of no confidence in a pm that's doing nothing more than running the clock down, but they were able to spend nearly 3 hours debating whether Corbyn maybe said something insulting or not.

Bearing in mind the amount or insults and allegations actually said by Tory PMs out loud, to Corbyn, which would possibly attract liable allegations if said outside parliament, this really shows the level of this utter shower of incompetents.

The reason for this and they damm well know it, they are doing everything to avoid having the vote on Mayhems deal, so they can drive the bus closer to the cliff edge, with Mayhem hanging out the window shouting "its my deal or no deal"

Having the vote would mean losing the support of the DUP, lose that and a vote of no confidence in the Tories would probably succeed.

But also having that vote would allow other options to be debated, including no deal. Which is what they should be doing.

A better deal was never on the cards for leaving EU

Its very simple, right from the start we were never going to be able to negotiate a better deal for leaving the EU than staying in it. As has been said its like stopping your membership of the gym and still wanting to go in and use the weights.

The question no-one knows the answer too is, will we be better off, eventually, once we have left and arranged our own deals with others.  Your guess is as good as mine and lots of people have opinions on this. But they are just opinions.

Which begs the question, in this dark tunnel into which we ride, is the light at the end near or far away or is it another train coming the other way?

From: Richard Knocker (Ex-pilot in the Gulf)

Ok this one is great, I thought we were getting project hope from leavers but nope this is the best project fear I've yet seen and best of all its pretty much all bollox.

If good old Richard was a pilot in the gulf wars then it didn't help his powers of researching facts.

So here we go....Fake news coming up

.............................................................

From: Richard Knocker (Ex-pilot in the Gulf wars)

OK so we’ve had the worst-case scenario for leaving the EU given to us by numerous outlets ranging from the Bank of England to the spoiled prepubescent acting momentum supporter and everyone in-between.
So, I am now going to tell you the worst-case scenario of remaining in the EU based on actual known factors and figures, sourced from the public records of the UK Government, the EU Parliament, The Bank of England, the CBI, Migration watch, The Stock exchanges around the world, the IMF, and the UN.
So those of you who think that this little rant is a tin foil hat moment by myself think again and go and fully research and cross reference what I am about to tell you and remember this is worst-case scenario that could happen unless I clearly point out where it will happen by either a date or other factor.

KNOWN OUTCOMES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN AGREED AS TRUE BY ALL SIDES:

1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.
3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen the move is fully cancelled but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.
5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealth
18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.; Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar ect
19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
20: The UK loses control of its international policy
21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020

PROBABLE WORST-CASE OUTCOMES

1: The UK will become nothing more than a vassal protectorate state
2: With the continuation of freedom of movement, the population of the UK will continue to grow at a rate higher than pre-referendum level ranging between 400,000 to 675,000 per annum.
2.1; Which will result in not just wage suppression but even wage depression.
2.2; More than 500,000 new homes to be built annually (We are currently only managing 125,000)
2.3; House prices and rents will skyrocket annually by 23%
2.4; Class sizes in schools would have to increase by 50% if not even double
2.5; The NHS will become solely an emergency service of care provider as they would no longer be able to cope with the numbers of people needing care other than those of emergency.
2.6; GP’s will become triage centres
2.7; Public transport will become permit holders use only
2.8; Only those that did a serious crime namely murder will be given a custodial sentence
2.9; The Court system becomes fully overrun to the point extreme cases only being heard and the rest being given an automatic fine
2.10; Emergency services collapsing for not being able to cope with the scale of things
2.11; Social care becoming solely private social care for those who can afford it.
2.12; Homelessness to increase by over 28% annually
2.13; Unemployment to increase annually by 37%
2.14; The Benefit system to collapse fully to the point of the return of soup kitchens and even workhouse existence
2.15; Crime to increase by over 59% annually
2.16; Shanty towns to become the norm standard of housing
3: Because the UK would no longer be able to make its own trade deals, nor control its tariffs or quotas, Food prices would increase by over 25% and the cost of living would go up by over 39%
4: Because the UK would lose its oil and gas rights it would also lose the revenue from taxation on them, resulting in a loss of over 600 billion per year in taxation revenue
5: Because the UK will become a member state its percentage share of the vote on any new laws, regulations, treaties and everything else is at current member numbers 3.57% of the vote. That’s right folks the UK say in the EU if it was to remain a member is 3.57% total

Everything I have put thus far is just the very extreme tip of the iceberg that is ready to sink the UK if we remain a member of the EU.

Everything is verifiable by the sources I have already outlined above and is something the EU propaganda machine as well as our very own government are not telling you.

Remainers keep on bleating about that the people didn’t know all of the facts If that’s the case then why are they failing to tell the people the downside or remaining a member of the EU.

ASK YOURSELVES THAT FACT AND FIND OUT THE TRUE HARD FACTS FOR YOURSELF

Richard Knocker

......................................END

Let's just say for a start if any of the above were true then Mogg, Johnson, etc etc would be shouting it from the rooftops.

The UK has opted out of various bits of the Lisbon treaty including jurisdiction of the court of justice. 

See below

"In order to avoid submitting to the jurisdiction of the Court of Justice and to enforcement actions by the Commission, the UK negotiated an opt-out which allows them the option of a block withdrawal from all third pillar measures they had previously chosen to participate in.

In October 2012 the UK government announced that it intended to exercise this opt-out and then selectively opt back into certain measures"

I'll cherry pick another.... "unemployment to increase annually by 37%" on that basis well over half the country would be unemployed in 8 years.....really?

There really is no attempt at reality in this at all.

I'll update a bit more later when on a pc if I can be bothered to give it time.

Tompride has already pulled this apart so ive stolen his graphics, sorry Tom credit given

Ok ill pick out another one The London stock exchange. The London stock exchange is a PLC its not controlled by the EU and could choose to go where it wants as could any company.

How about the Euro .... This is from the Lisbon treaty ...

The Union has exclusive competence to make directives and conclude international agreements when provided for in a Union legislative act as to …

monetary policy for the Member States whose currency is the euro

Lets restate that, to avoid confusion... the EU will have control of monetary policy for the member states who's currency is the Euro.  In case anyone is still not sure... our currency is the pound.

and here's the link to Richard Knocker the pilot who's name has been used.

The problem with people posting crap like this is it stifles debate in the real issues.

I WOULD AGREE WITH ONE THING ....FIND OUT THE TRUE HARD FACTS FOR YOURSELF.

The truth is most wont bother.  Sad really.

I would say to leavers... if something is that bad you don't have to lie about it, lying about it makes people question your argument.

LINK'S 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lisbon

Tompride: Leavers ALREADY campaigning to win second referendum on social media – with even WORSE LIES than before

Lisbon Treaty

Tory media Myths about Corbyn

OMG I’ve never seen so much rubbish written trying to demean someone you say has no chance of being elected. OK Lets break it down shall we … to the facts 

1.     Corbyn is unelectable ~ if he is then what are you worried about? The press will leave him alone, Cameron won’t bother telling any more lies about him, because there’s no point he’s not a threat. Good so that’s that one done.  More here: http://garysoapbox.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/thatcher-was-deemed-unelectable.html

2.     Corbyn talked to the IRA ~ He did, it’s no secret it was all out in the open, not hidden. Whereas Thatcher was talking to them long before, behind closed doors, whilst claiming “We don’t talk to terrorists”.  More here:  http://garysoapbox.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/corbyns-talks-with-ira.html

3.     Corbyn has never condemned the IRA bombings ~ He did, he’s always been against violence and war and he’s always claimed and been proven correct so far. That the only way to resolve things is to get people talking. He said this about IRA bombings “I condemn all bombing, it is not a good idea, and it is terrible what happened.”

4.     Corbyn said Bin Ladins death was a tragedy ~ NO HE DIDN’T what he actually said was ‘There was no attempt whatsoever that I can see to arrest him, to put him on trial, to go through that process. ‘This was an assassination attempt, and is yet another tragedy, upon a tragedy, upon a tragedy. The World Trade Centre was a tragedy, the attack on Afghanistan was a tragedy, the war in Iraq was a tragedy. Tens of thousands of people have died. Torture has come back on to the world stage, been canonised virtually into law by Guantanamo and Bagram.’ ‘Can’t we learn some lessons over this?’  more here http://garysoapbox.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/what-jeremy-corbyn-actually-said-about.html

5.     Corbyn didn’t bow enough ~ This one was so ridiculous that I almost didn’t cover it. Suffice it to say that whilst the other BOWING politicians were all gorging themselves at a banquet. Corbyn stayed outside and applauded the veterans, he then went onto the rememberance service in his own constituency. I expect the others were still eating pudding when he got there.  http://garysoapbox.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/corbyn-knows-right-respect.html  http://garysoapbox.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/the-man-didnt-bow.html http://garysoapbox.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/did-jeremy-corbyn-bow-at-cenotaph.html

6.     Corbyn was a supporter of Tony Benn ~ Er …. Yes he was and your point is?  http://garysoapbox.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/corbyn-was-supporter-of-tony-benn.html

7.     Corbyn poses a national security threat ~ Cameron has left the UK without a carrier force for over a decade or will have by 2020 and the F35 wont be ready by 2020 (That’s the aircraft that goes on the carriers) and Corbyn is a security threat. You really couldn’t make it up.  http://garysoapbox.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/jeremy-corbyn-poses-national-security.html

8.     Corbyn hasn’t got a credible economics policy ~ Hes got one that’s backed by pretty much every major economist around. The Tories have a better one? …. Which is why they have increased the national debt by nearly 70% since taking over and Lost the country its triple AAA rating. Hmmmm.  http://garysoapbox.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/the-tories-failed-promises-debt.html

I think Id better stop.

The Brexit - Choices in a nutshell, while Mayhem begs round the EU

The only thing Mayhem is going to get begging round Europe is possibly some reassurances and clarifications. That is not going to cut it in Parliament, the deal will not get through.

So we have some options and these options are based on the fact that we did have a democratic vote (don't necessarily agree with how that was run but that's another argument) and there was a small majority to leave, so respecting that decision......

1. Stop Brexit and stay in the EU, political suicide for any party, without a public vote
2. Extend article 51 time limit. With nothing else on offer pretty much a waste of time.
3. Take it back for a 2nd Referendum. Possible support growing for this due to impasse in Parliament. But where are we if the vote is the same? Right back in same position.
4. Take everything off the table and request to move forward on trade talks with no prerequisites, this is what should happen and what should have happened from the start. No deal with anything unless everything is in the deal. The problem with this is there is no time left now.
5. Crash out with No Deal. The less palatable option and everyone is running scared of it. Brexiteers say everything will be OK, Remainers say the world will come to an end. Who is right. Well no one knows as its never been done before.

The only thing I can say is you don't negotiate like this, but it is was it is and we move on from here and not from 2 years ago. I used to work in Project Management and its remarkable how solutions will be found when peoples backs are to the wall. 

Using that principle if we are to move forward with Brexit we have to take everything off the table and prepare for crashing out without a deal. We cant solve the Irish border problem. Nor will we put up a border, so let the EU solve that issue of how they check goods going into the EU ie across the Irish border.

If we think that a hard crash out Brexit is really going to be catastrophic for the country and if  Parliament stays at impasse, then we have to take it back to the country and let them decide.

Two choices in a nutshell

1. Crash out with No Deal
2. Take the Vote back to the people but the vote choices should be
1. Crash out no deal
2. Stay in EU
3. Go forward with Mayhems deal

 

How has the pound performed since the brexit vote

The pound was deemed to be overvalued prior to the Brexit vote and after a clifftop drop, right after the vote you couldn't say its been majorly bad in any way.

LINKS
https://fullfact.org/economy/pound-fallen-since-brexit https://www.finder.com/uk/brexit-pound FT: The UK economy since the Brexit vote — in 6 charts BBC: Pound falls further after Brexit vote delayed https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/bank-of-england-spot/historical-spot-exchange-rates/gbp/GBP-to-EUR#charts

Mayhem vote of no confidence

So doomed if they do doomed if they don't.

Basically if they vote Mayhem back in tonight they are supporting her deal. Maybe I'm missing something but the deal appears to be not really a deal but a progression point. Agree that, says the EU and we can move onto trade negotiations....Hmmm.

In my opinion nothing should have been negotiated or given away it should all be negotiated together. Why have we agreed to pay 40 billion odd before getting to the trade agreement table. Yes we may have commitments but NO everything should be on the table until the final agreement. The EU have played a blinder on this one.

This deal is not a deal its a part way point that its taken two years to get to. The trade deals are the hard part, how many years will that take?

So what are the options

1. Vote Mayhem back in which is basically accepting her deal. But that deal will be voted down by the house and risks Labour putting forward a no confidence vote.
2. Put someone else in, the only option here would appear to be crash out with no deal or at least threaten it.
3. Extending the date? but for what nothing is going to change.
4. Take it back for a peoples vote as the politicians are at impasse. 

Who knows what will happen but i think Mayhem will survive this vote and like a drunk bouncing from wall to wall the Tories will carry on in disarray. To where or what noone knows at present.



UPDATED 12/12/18 23:55

• Theresa May remains Tory leader after surviving confidence vote
• The PM won 200 votes, but 117 MPs voted against her
• The result was greeted by cheers and applause from Tory MPs
• The BBC's Laura Kuenssberg says the margin of victory is a "real blow" to the PM's authority
• The result means the PM is immune from another leadership challenge for a year
• Before the vote MPs say Mrs May told them she won't fight the next election

Charlie Brown and Franz Stigler incident

"The Charlie Brown and Franz Stigler incident occurred on 20 December 1943, when, after a successful bomb run on Bremen, 2nd Lt Charles "Charlie" Brown's B-17 Flying Fortress (named "Ye Olde Pub") was severely damaged by German fighters. Luftwaffe pilot Franz Stigler had the opportunity to shoot down the crippled bomber, but did not. After an extensive search by Brown, the two pilots met each other 40 years later and developed a friendship that lasted until Stigler's death in March 2008."

Bf 109 pilot Franz Stigler and B-17 pilot Charlie Brown's first meeting

The Real Try Not To Cry Challenge (The Franz Stigler and Charlie Brown Incident)

An extraordinary code of honour

LINKS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Brown_and_Franz_Stigler_incident

Trumps lies about the Acosta video

"After Mr Acosta attempted to follow up his question with a second on Robert Mueller’s Russia probe, Mr Trump added, pointing angrily: “That’s enough. That’s enough. That’s enough. Excuse me, that’s enough.” Mr Trump said he was “not concerned about anything” because the investigation was “a hoax”. Continuing to berate Mr Acosta, he added: “That’s enough. Put down the mic.” As the reporter continued to quiz him, Mr Trump became more agitated and stepped away from the podium."

Whether you think Trump is doing good or not is irrelevant. You can look at his campaign promises and say well he's done what he said he would, or tried to.

What we can say in all truth is that he lies, virtually every time he speaks there will be a mistruth, misinformation and yes even down right lies.

Most people will square this by stating "well all politicians lie". Well maybe not all, but yes most are prone to misinformation to further their cause. Trump I would say takes liberties with it, spreading misinformation more than anyone and claiming "Fake News" in every breath. In fact I would say he's a pathological liar, he actually believes his own lies.

In this situation where Trump shuts down the CNN reporter, he was obviously doing it because he didn't like the questions he was being asked and here lies the problem. If reporters are only allowed to ask questions that the person being asked likes, we are heading down a sticky road. Control of the press its what most political parties strive for but it cant be allowed.

The Nazi's used it to great effect in 1933, now I'm not comparing Trump to the Nazi's just saying you have to have a free press and where that starts to be curtailed we should be concerned.

The doctoring of the Video in question and it is obviously doctored is the issue. I didn't need it slowed down to see that. I saw the original and then later the one released by Ms Huckabee Sanders on her twitter feed. They were obviously different.  If you scroll down to the 3rd video on this independent page you will see Tom Richell, The Independents head of video explaining and comparing the two.

If they are prepared to doctor a video to back up why a journalist that was asking difficult questions was banned, what else are they doing?

Whether you like CNN or not, a press that is only allowed to ask certain questions and is restricted in what they publish for fear of being banned, is a press not worth having.  Having said that the press should be expected to publish the truth and not propagate misinformation.

Trump continues to claim the Video isn't doctored when it so obviously is and to use it to claim a reporter assaulted someone is despicable.

Pathological liar? the evidence is all there.




LINKS
White House suspends credentials for CNN's Jim Acosta
Trump denies doctored Acosta video shared by White House was doctored, then threatens to ban more journalists

Trump the Dictator, wings clipped?

So the Dictator has lost some of his power and will now need to negotiate with people if he wants to get anything through the senate.

In all his dealings with other US politicians and with other countries Trumps has just shown, what could be described as a bullying, narcissistic personality. The question is, has he got the ability to negotiate or does his idea of negotiation just rely on the bully power base. I guess we shall see what will now unfold.

Jamal Khashoggi - Here we see the hypocrisy inherent in the system

Jamal Khashoggi

To coin a phrase

Here we see the hypocrisy inherent in the system

An ex spy is murdered by the Russians in the UK and on very little public evidence the whole of Europe and the US made a unprecedented move in expelling over 160 diplomats.

"EU leaders agreed last week it was highly likely Russia was behind the nerve-agent poisoning."

So on a "highly likely" basis 160 diplomats are expelled.

The Saudi's however murder a journalist, possibly chop his body up to dispose of it and actually admit to killing him and the EU and the US does ....Er ......Nothing!

"Saudi Arabia has said that journalist Jamal Khashoggi was killed at its consulate in Istanbul as part of a "rogue operation" by Saudi agents who had nothing to do with the powerful Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman."

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"It sounded to me like maybe these could have been rogue killers," Mr Trump said, adding: "Who knows?"

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Really? A team is flown from Saudi using offiocial Saudi government transport including a pathologist to dismember the body and noone at the top knew about it?

Sorry dont believe it.

Nothing has so far been done with regard to Saudi Arabia. Why? .......Money.  Both the US and the UK sell arms to Saudi. Saudi also controls massive oil fields and can influence oil prices.

Saudi is also a big supporter or should I say promoter of Wahhabism an ultraconservative Islamic doctrine.  Wahhabi mosques are accused by some muslims of being the root of terrorist ideology in the UK but nothing is done about these mosques. Presumably because they are backed by Saudi Arabia.

Wahhabism has been accused of being "a source of global terrorism"

I asked a muslim aquaintence why they did nothing about these Wahhabi mosques that promote terrorist activity and he said "They are too powerful as they are backed by Saudi Arabi, it would take the Government to do anything"

As the Government hasnt done anything, like closing these mosques down, can we assume the Government is complicit in allowing Terrorist activity. Because it is scared of upsetting Saudi?

Is the UK and US governments complicit in the prolification of terrorism by doing nothing and carrying on supplying arms to a country that promotes such ideals?

What would be happening if Russia had done the same?

Trump also pointed to tens of billions of dollars in Saudi arms purchases from U.S. companies as a reason to not disrupt ties with Riyadh.

Here we see the hypocrisy inherent in the system.


LINKS
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43545565
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-45937448
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/11/month-khashoggi-killing-probe-progress-181102081631040.html 
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/01/world/middleeast/with-saudi-prince-holding-on-to-power-us-seen-standing-by-him.html
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/10/15/weekend-presidential-briefing-saudi-vinograd-nr-vpx.cnn
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/30/recep-tayyip-erdogan-jamal-khashoggi-killing-saudi-arabia-protected
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Jamal_Khashoggi 
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/25/middleeast/saudi-turkey-khashoggi-investigation-intl/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/23/turkish-president-erdogan-rejects-saudi-account-of-khashoggi-killing
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-46067959
http://uk.businessinsider.com/jamal-khashoggi-killing-saudi-arabia-hopes-world-will-forget-2018-10?r=US&IR=T
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/saudi-arabia-not-fully-cooperating-with-khashoggi-investigation-turkish-official-says/2018/10/31/804bfc2a-dc78-11e8-8bac-bfe01fcdc3a6_story.html?utm_term=.cfb41d9c88bb
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2018/11/01/trumps-saudis-keep-fumbling-after-khashoggis-killing/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d4700f736282