Did Livingstone say Hitler was a Zionist.

Labour antisemitic row, I shall keep this simple as the main issue seems to be whether Livingstone said Hitler was a Zionist.

Lets start with what Antisemitism is defined as: Hostility to or prejudice against Jews.

Dealing with the facts, was there anything in what Livingstone said that promoted Hostility to or prejudice against Jews.

No there isn't.

So was Labour MP John Mann correct in his accusation that Livingstone was "Rewriting history" over remarks Livingstone made about Hitler supporting Zionism?  No he wasn't.

Livingstone was factually correct and it was called the Haavara Agreement. it was an agreement between Nazi Germany and Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933.
Initially, Hitler criticised the agreement, but reversed his opinion and supported it in the period 1937-1939

Did Livingstone say Hitler was a Zionist, No he didn't.  What he did say was....
"Let’s remember when Hitler won his election in 1932, his policy then was that Jews should be moved to Israel. He was supporting Zionism – this before he went mad and ended up killing six million Jews."

Why did Livingstone bring Hitler up? it was in answer to a question made by a journalist about Naz Shah's comments.

So that's the main accusation covered more bits below for those interested.

So glad a Jewish group points out the real agenda

Statement on “Labour’s problem with antisemitism”

John Mann's attack totally staged for effect, what effect? will will no doubt find out what the agenda is at a later stage.  I have Three points .....

 1. John Mann needs to check his history, you cant use Mien Kampf as a historical basis for what actually happened.

  2. Livingstone didn't say that Hitler was a Zionist.

3. John Mann should be suspended, absolutely disgraceful behaviour.

On whether what Hitler did was legal, as stated by Naz Shah:

“That’s a statement of fact – Hitler, I’m sure, passed all those laws that allowed him to do that … it’s history … literally, Hitler was completely mad, he killed six million Jews. 

“She’s not saying it’s legal to kill six million Jews: what they were doing in that country allowed them not just to kill six million Jews, kill all the communists, kill all the leftists like me, my father almost died when a Nazi sub sank his boat. I have no sympathy with Hitler.

“I’m not an apologist for anyone who makes antisemitic statements. What I’m saying is don’t confuse antisemitism with criticism of the Israeli government policy."

On calling a Jewish journalist a “concentration camp guard” whilst Mayor of London:

“I can’t tell if a journalist is Jewish or Catholic or anything. If a journalist is chasing you down the street at nine of clock at night you might be rude to them. Some people might have hit him! He said he was just doing his job. We went all the way to the High Court and the judge opened his judgement by saying ‘I hope no one here is going to suggest that Mr Livingstone is antisemitic’. We won the case.”

“Things are either historically true or they’re not – that’s one of the reasons I pursue the policies I do because I study history. If you study history you can avoid making the same mistakes again.

“My objection to the Israeli government is that for nearly 70 years the Palestinians have been kept in appalling conditions. I’m not making any link between the current Israeli policy and Hitler. I was asked the question in the interview and it just so happens to be a historical fact. If you say to me 'is it true that we were invaded by the Normans in 1066' I’m going to say yes, because it’s true, and I’m not going to avoid the truth.”

As a passing comment it was noticeable they kept pressing him on why he kept bringing up Hitler. He originally brought it up in answer to a question about Naz Shah and only defended the fact that what he was saying was factually true, which it is, and not him rewriting history as they all claimed.

But there's a reason behind all this, its all timed nicely to take the heat off the Tories and try and influence the voting in up coming elections.

Strange what comes up in investigations, I stumbled across this ....

Netanyahu: Hitler Didn't Want to Exterminate the Jews

Tory Newspapers and Blogs
'Labour has no anti-Semitism problem' insists Jeremy Corbyn as party suspends Ken Livingstone after day of unprecedented turmoil
Ken Livingstone interview transcipts in full
Corbyn under pressure to stamp out Labour party anti-Semitism


Labour Newspapers and blogs
Livingstone vindicated: There WAS a Nazi-Zionist agreement and Hitler DID support it

Supposedly Impartial
What's the difference between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism?
Jeremy Corbyn denies crisis as Ken Livingstone suspended

Misc
THE PACT BETWEEN HITLER AND THE ZIONISTS

Fact based
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism
Encyclopedia Judaica: Haavara
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_endorsements_in_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2010
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorsements_in_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2015#National_daily_newspapers
36 Questions About the Holocaust

Defeat is never a certainty

2016 Phil Healey's incredible finish

Inspiring Heather Dorniden 2008, Falls But ....

Derek Redmond Barcelona 1992, pain .....

Two years after the Olympics in Barcelona, he was told by a surgeon that he would never run again or represent his country in sport. However, after coming to terms with the loss of athletics as a career, he began to turn his attention, with the encouragement of his father, to other sports that he enjoyed. He went on to play professional basketball for Birmingham Bullets.^[8]

Redmond formerly served as Director of Development for sprints and hurdles for UK Athletics.

In 1994, Redmond won Celebrity Gladiators, and during the third series of Gladiators (1994), he served as "Official Timekeeper" to Referee John Anderson. Redmond has also served as a commentator for Eurosport, and presented a basketball show on ITV.

Redmond raced a motorcycle in the Hottrax Motorsport Racing Club with his team in conjunction with Maria Costello, as Costello Redmond Racing. The team finished second in the 2009 Senior 1000 Tag Endurance championship where three team members raced relay style over a six-hour period at seven national UK circuits.

Redmond currently does motivational speaking on the conference circuit, inspiring people with the story of the 4x400 gold medal triumph and his famous ordeal in the 1992 Barcelona Olympics. He currently co-owns a Superbike Team.

OK Ive decided Im voting out of the EU

Voting out the EU has failed and proved itself to be a corrupt bully of smaller members

The Tories took us into the EU and voting in now would be like voting for the Tories after 6 years of failure because some dick wad says it'll be worse under Labour.  Well maybe it will maybe it wont. In fact no one really knows there's lots of blowing of hot air, lots if and buts but no one has any hard facts because its never been done.

Yeah OK we will stay in because although its shit we can clean it better on the inside. No, sorry you don't clean a toilet by stepping into the pan, you stand outside and you flush it away.

One thing I do know is the EU has failed, the Euro has failed as a currency, if we had been in the Euro in 2008 our economy would have collapsed. Another thing I know Labour under Corbyn wont be lining their pockets like the Tories are. If Labour gets rid of Corbyn then maybe I'll look elsewhere for someone that's principled and doesn't feel the need to lie and insult but i digress.

The EU is corrupt to the core, you cant fight that level of corruption from withing or out, you have to cause a catastrophic failure of the system so that it collapses and something better can be built. The same way a corrupt Rome collapsed on itself and died.  Don't get me wrong the idea is good but not the way its setup at present and it needs too many changes to be worth it and too many powerful people stand in the way.

I do think they will do their best to make sure that we fail in the short term. They will stall on trade talks as will the US after all they want their lackey spy inside Europe, we are no good to them out of it. If we vote out lets see how long that 'Special' relationship lasts.

However we've been forced into corners before and come out of it OK. If we vote out its highly likely that Holland, Sweden, Czechs, even France etc will possibly follow with their own referendums and the walls come crumbling down.

I kept thinking that one of my problems with voting out was Boris would probably end up as leader of the Tories. Maybe that's not a bad thing though, if the public cant see through the lies of Cameron maybe Boris will be the turning point.

Tony Benn has been proven to be very insightful in his speeches in Parliament in the past, we should not forget these very important words.  When thinking about the EU.......

St George was a Syrian immigrant

St George was a Roman soldier of Syrian birth. Its very unlikely that he ever set foot in England. So why have we got a patron saint who is a Syrian? King Edward III made him the Patron Saint of England  in 1350 and Shakespeare furthered it with "Cry God for Harry, England and St George"

Its rather funny though that a certain group and its supporters promote St George as some national pride thing. What they are really promoting is a Syrian who would have been deemed an immigrant if he had ever made it to England.

Probably why he didn't. "Hey George don't go to England there's a camp in France and they are stopping all people from Syria from getting in" .... "Right on mate Ill kick dust around here till someone kills me, im sure there's a few martyr places left"

In my opinion, not being religious, if we have to have a patron Saint it should be St Edmund at least he was English and King of East Anglia, no less. Died in 869 fighting the vikings or the great heathen Army as it was called. That's proper patriotism, died fighting for his Country.

In reality theres not much known about George and stories vary as to his nationality and the stories attached to him. Like the stories about Jesus we have to take them with a pinch of salt*.


St George - Patron Saint of England
Saint George
ST GEORGE OR ST EDMUND?
St George's Day, celebrating a mythical martyr?
Why St George is a Palestinian hero
Edmund the Martyr
Great Heathen Army


*Note
To take a statement with 'a grain of salt' or 'a pinch of salt' means to accept it but to maintain a degree of skepticism about its truth.

Use your vote, you can make a difference.

Approximately 15% of people eligible to vote, were not registered to vote in last election

34% of those registered to vote didn't vote.

Thats a total of 49% of people that could vote, not voting.

In 2015 
The Tories had 24% of the vote
Labour had 20% of the vote

Yet 49% didn't vote.

More people didn't vote than voted for both of the Main parties combined.

Some people would have you believe that Labour doesn't stand a chance, however if you look at the voting it was actually pretty close.

Unfortunately our first past the post election system paints a different picture.

But if 10% of those that didn't vote, voted. There could be a completely different picture.

Make the seats match the votes - Sign the petition


http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/
http://www.votenone.org.uk/uk-unheard-third.html
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/news-releases-reviews-and-research/new-report-shows-at-least-6m-people-not-registered-to-vote
http://www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2015/feb/05/missing-voters-individual-electoral-registration-disaster
http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/first-past-the-post
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-33077661
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/why-britains-voting-system-is-broken-in-three-simple-charts-10227790.html

Meme claimed that Sgt. Gregory Hayes beat two Syrian refugees to death but there is no record Hayes even existed

A meme claimed that Sgt. Gregory Hayes beat two Syrian refugees to death for raping his daughter, but Snopes find no record Hayes even existed.

http://www.snopes.com/sergeant-gregory-hayes/

Thousands march on London 16/4/16

Bet you all heard about that one didn't you?

So on the day that thousands maybe hundreds of thousands marched on London. The BBCs top headlines for England were .......

Family concern over missing man in Peru

Park run petition tops 1,000 signatures

Football fan dies over 5-0 win

Two dead in house treated as murder

Largest weapons haul to be destroyed

Hundreds evacuated in hotel blaze

Etc Etc.....

Thousand marching on London calling for Cameron to resign ..... Nothing!

Its like it didn't happen.

Now why would that be?

Bernie Saunders closing speech

Go go Bernie ... With Saunders that side of the pond and Corbyn this side, we could end up with a much fairer world.

Is that so weird, so out of this world, that we could all consider helping each other. When someone has fallen down we reach down and give them a helping hand, what about that scares people?

That doesn't mean the wealthy have to give up their wealth, Inherited or worked for, just it'll be slightly less wealth, You wont even notice it. The super rich ... the 1% .... you wont even notice it. The corporations, the share holders you wont even notice it. But in your ivory towers you cannot even comprehend the difference it will make to the world.

Stop trying to control the world, the water, the people with your failed austerity, designed to keep people in their place.

The world is everyone's, the planet belongs to us all!

To Stay or Not to Stay That is the Question

Reality Check: The EU referendum : Key Points  Sometimes the BBC gets it right one of the best sources of facts regarding the key points ive found.

The UK's EU referendum: All you need to know   What are the main changes David Cameron has agreed?

Mr Cameron agreed a package of changes to the UK's membership of the EU after two days of intensive talks with other member states' leaders in Brussels in February. The agreement, which will take effect immediately if the UK votes to remain in the EU, includes changes to:

• Child benefit - Child benefit payments to migrant workers for children living overseas to be recalculated to reflect the cost of living in their home countries
• Migrant welfare payments - The UK can decide to limit in-work benefits for EU migrants during their first four years in the UK. This so-called "emergency brake" can be applied in the event of "exceptional" levels of migration, but must be released within seven years - without exception.
• Eurozone - Britain can keep the pound while being in Europe, and its business trade with the bloc, without fear of discrimination. Any British money spent on bailing out eurozone nations will be reimbursed.
• Protection for the City of London - Safeguards for Britain's large financial services industry to prevent eurozone regulations being imposed on it
• Sovereignty - There is an explicit commitment that the UK will not be part of an "ever closer union" with other EU member states. This will be incorporated in an EU treaty change.
• 'Red card' for national parliaments - It will be easier for governments to band together to block unwanted legislation. If 55% of national EU parliaments object to a piece of EU legislation it will be rethought.
• Competitiveness - The settlement calls on all EU institutions and member states to "make all efforts to fully implement and strengthen the internal market" and to take "concrete steps towards better regulation", including by cutting red tape.
• Some limits on free movement - Denying automatic free movement rights to nationals of a country outside the EU who marry an EU national, as part of measures to tackle "sham" marriages. There are also new powers to exclude people believed to be a security risk - even if they have no previous convictions.

UK and the EU: Better off out or in?  A referendum on whether Britain should remain in the European Union is to be held on Thursday, 23 June,

Reality Check: Has referendum weakened the pound?  Reality Check verdict: The referendum debate is likely to be one of the factors weakening the pound, but things like delayed interest rate rises are also responsible.

EU referendum: Moody's predicts 'small' UK economic hit from EU exit  The UK economy would be hit by leaving the EU, but the impact would be "small" and unlikely to lead to big job losses, according to credit agency Moody's.

IMF: EU exit could cause severe damage  The UK's exit from the European Union could cause "severe regional and global damage", the International Monetary Fund has warned in its latest outlook.

On Brexit, IMF is speaking Osborne’s language

Reality Check: Should you care about economic models?  As the EU referendum campaign continues you will be seeing lots of headlines about how much Brexit would cost or benefit the UK economy, or indeed how much staying in will cost the economy.

Now, some of these figures will be plucked out of the air, but some of them will be based on serious economic modelling - carried out by folk with brains the size of planets, most likely swimming around in think tanks.

Should you believe all of them, some of them or none of them and how do you know which to treasure and which to discard?

Reality Check: Would Brexit cost every household £850?  The UK leaving the European Union would knock £850 off the average UK household's income, according to a report from the Centre for Economic Performance (CEP) at the London School of Economics.

Reality Check: Did the UK lose its sovereignty in 1972?  Mayor of London Boris Johnson says: "You cannot express the sovereignty of Parliament and accept the 1972 European Communities Act."

Jeremy Corbyn: leaving EU would lead to ‘bonfire of rights’
Who are the Tory MPs on each side of the EU debate?
The Guardian view on parliament and Europe: a cold blast of reality in the hothouse
Britain would be 'killed' in trade talks if it left EU, says French minister
Brexit unlikely to cause significant fall in immigration, says report
IMF chief issues impassioned plea for Britain to stay in EU
Bank of England warns Brexit could do serious harm to UK economy

Never thought Id agree with Boris Johnson

Garys Thought: 

If there are spending limits imposed on political parties why is David Cameron spending £2m more than the limit and why isn't the money coming from the Conservative party. 

Why is the tax payer paying for it.?

Are other political party's allowed to use tax payers money for their campaigns?

Any money spent on these leaflets should be paid back to the tax payer out of Conservative party funds.


STOP CAMERON spending British taxpayers’ money on Pro-EU Referendum leaflets
Prime Minister David Cameron plans to spend British taxpayers’ money on a pro-EU document to be sent to every household in the United Kingdom in the run up to the EU referendum. We believe voters deserve a fair referendum - without taxpayer-funded biased interceptions by the Government.

What are the rules for campaigning?

The Electoral Commission is in charge of making sure it's a fair contest. It will select a designated lead campaign for both the "leave" and "remain" sides. The official campaigns will get access to a grant of up to £600,000, an overall spending limit of £7m, campaign broadcasts, free mailshots and free access to meeting rooms. Other groups are free to run their own campaigns but they will be limited to a spend of £700,000 if they register with the Electoral Commission and will have to report the source of donations. If they don't register with the Commission they will be limited to spending less than £10,000. The Electoral Commission haspublished a guide to the rules.

How much can the parties spend?

The spending limit for political parties depend on the percentage of the vote they received at the general election. The Conservatives have the highest spending limit - £7m - because they got the most votes at the general election. Labour is limited to £5.5m, UKIP £4m and the Lib Dems £3m. The SNP, Greens, Plaid Cymru and other parties that got less than 5% of votes cast in May will be limited to £700,000.

EU referendum: PM 'makes no apology' for £9m EU leaflets  David Cameron has defended a government pro-EU membership campaign, amid criticism that £9m of public money is being spent on "one-sided propaganda".

Reality Check: The government's referendum leaflet  The government is sending out a leaflet to 27 million homes explaining why it thinks people should vote to stay in the European Union.  Here is a selection of some of the claims made in the leaflet.

Sensing a Backlash - Cameron Ponders