Friday, 29 April 2016

Did Livingstone say Hitler was a Zionist.

Labour antisemitic row, I shall keep this simple as the main issue seems to be whether Livingstone said Hitler was a Zionist.

Lets start with what Antisemitism is defined as: Hostility to or prejudice against Jews.

Dealing with the facts, was there anything in what Livingstone said that promoted Hostility to or prejudice against Jews.

No there isn't.

So was Labour MP John Mann correct in his accusation that Livingstone was "Rewriting history" over remarks Livingstone made about Hitler supporting Zionism?  No he wasn't.

Livingstone was factually correct and it was called the Haavara Agreement. it was an agreement between Nazi Germany and Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933.
Initially, Hitler criticised the agreement, but reversed his opinion and supported it in the period 1937-1939

Did Livingstone say Hitler was a Zionist, No he didn't.  What he did say was....
"Let’s remember when Hitler won his election in 1932, his policy then was that Jews should be moved to Israel. He was supporting Zionism – this before he went mad and ended up killing six million Jews."

Why did Livingstone bring Hitler up? it was in answer to a question made by a journalist about Naz Shah's comments.

So that's the main accusation covered more bits below for those interested.

So glad a Jewish group points out the real agenda

John Mann's attack totally staged for effect, what effect? will will no doubt find out what the agenda is at a later stage.  I have Three points .....
 1. John Mann needs to check his history, you cant use Mien Kampf as a historical basis for what actually happened.
  2. Livingstone didn't say that Hitler was a Zionist.
3. John Mann should be suspended, absolutely disgraceful behaviour.

On whether what Hitler did was legal, as stated by Naz Shah:
“That’s a statement of fact – Hitler, I’m sure, passed all those laws that allowed him to do that … it’s history … literally, Hitler was completely mad, he killed six million Jews. 
“She’s not saying it’s legal to kill six million Jews: what they were doing in that country allowed them not just to kill six million Jews, kill all the communists, kill all the leftists like me, my father almost died when a Nazi sub sank his boat. I have no sympathy with Hitler.
“I’m not an apologist for anyone who makes antisemitic statements. What I’m saying is don’t confuse antisemitism with criticism of the Israeli government policy."
On calling a Jewish journalist a “concentration camp guard” whilst Mayor of London:
“I can’t tell if a journalist is Jewish or Catholic or anything. If a journalist is chasing you down the street at nine of clock at night you might be rude to them. Some people might have hit him! He said he was just doing his job. We went all the way to the High Court and the judge opened his judgement by saying ‘I hope no one here is going to suggest that Mr Livingstone is antisemitic’. We won the case.”

“Things are either historically true or they’re not – that’s one of the reasons I pursue the policies I do because I study history. If you study history you can avoid making the same mistakes again.
“My objection to the Israeli government is that for nearly 70 years the Palestinians have been kept in appalling conditions. I’m not making any link between the current Israeli policy and Hitler. I was asked the question in the interview and it just so happens to be a historical fact. If you say to me 'is it true that we were invaded by the Normans in 1066' I’m going to say yes, because it’s true, and I’m not going to avoid the truth.”
As a passing comment it was noticeable they kept pressing him on why he kept bringing up Hitler. He originally brought it up in answer to a question about Naz Shah and only defended the fact that what he was saying was factually true, which it is, and not him rewriting history as they all claimed.

But there's a reason behind all this, its all timed nicely to take the heat off the Tories and try and influence the voting in up coming elections.

Strange what comes up in investigations, I stumbled across this ....

Netanyahu: Hitler Didn't Want to Exterminate the Jews

Tory Newspapers and Blogs
'Labour has no anti-Semitism problem' insists Jeremy Corbyn as party suspends Ken Livingstone after day of unprecedented turmoil
Ken Livingstone interview transcipts in full
Corbyn under pressure to stamp out Labour party anti-Semitism

Labour Newspapers and blogs
Livingstone vindicated: There WAS a Nazi-Zionist agreement and Hitler DID support it

Supposedly Impartial
What's the difference between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism?
Jeremy Corbyn denies crisis as Ken Livingstone suspended


Fact based
Encyclopedia Judaica: Haavara,_2010,_2015#National_daily_newspapers
36 Questions About the Holocaust

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